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GPIC speculator

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Cash King horse trader

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Posted on Sun 10 Jan 2010 22:35 by Cash King
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Dear Friends,
| The National 10 January 2010: |
Arabtec faces share inquiry
The Dubai Financial Market (DFM) is reviewing what it considers abnormal share price movements in Arabtec Holding (ARTC) before Aabar Investments (AABAR) said last week it would acquire 70 per cent of the company.
Rumours of the deal helped to send Arabtec’s stock more than 30 per cent higher in the two weeks before the planned acquisition was announced.
But shares in the UAE’s largest construction company fell 6.9 per cent yesterday amid investor concerns that the company could be hurt by future losses on contracts as a result of the slowdown in the region’s building industry.
Aabar announced on Friday that it would buy the Dh6.4 billion (US$1.74bn) stake using a convertible bond at Dh2.3 per share. That is a 20.4 per cent discount to Arabtec’s closing price on Thursday.
The deal still needs the backing of 75 per cent of Arabtec’s shareholders and approval from government regulators before going through.
As rumours of the acquisition spread near the end of last month, Arabtec said it was “unaware” of the reasons behind its rising stock price.
Aabar issued a statement on January 3 denying the investment. That prompted the Dubai bourse to look into the share dealings.
“It’s a normal review of trade and activity in stocks over the last 15 days to see if there are any irregular movements as per the rules of DFM,” said a spokesman at the exchange.
Riad Kamal, the chief executive of Arabtec, said “the DFM has to do what it has to do”.
“If they uncover anything wrong, then that’s perfect for everybody,” he added.
Majed Azzam, a property analyst at Al Futtaim HC Securities, said the deal would dilute the value of Arabtec shareholders’ stake.
“It is a positive deal in that Abu Dhabi is pumping money into a Dubai company, making sure they stay solvent, while the negative is the dilution to shareholders. But the question now is will Aabar bring enough big projects to the table to compensate for the dilution?”
“The fact that the offer entails a discount … could be seen as an indicator of a larger than previously anticipated hit on Arabtec’s Dubai receivables,” said Shuaa Capital (SHUAA) analysts, who estimated that the Dh2.3 price implied additional impairments for Arabtec of Dh1.7bn.
Arabtec, which has expanded into new markets including Russia, Qatar and Saudi Arabia, has said it would turn its main focus to other locations including Abu Dhabi, where it won contracts last year.
“The size of the funds that Arabtec would receive would be useful to tide through any liquidity concerns that may worsen, which have already affected Arabtec in 2009,” said the investment bank EFG-Hermes.
Arabtec will become part of a growing property division within Aabar, which bought two plots in Al Raha district near the Abu Dhabi International Airport in November 2008 for Dh500 million. The company plans to develop up to four residential towers there. It also acquired 12 towers to be developed on six lots on Reem Island in Abu Dhabi for Dh5bn last February, and 14 more plots in Abu Dhabi last year for Dh2.7bn.
The International Petroleum Investment Company, a government energy investment fund, assumed majority ownership of Aabar in March last year.
Aabar also has a major stake in the championship winning Brawn GP Formula One team. The company’s stock gained 4.6 per cent yesterday. |
I love & like the DFM activeness.
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Krazy Guy profiteer

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Posted on Sun 10 Jan 2010 23:51 by Krazy Guy
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Totally correct CK.
Hurray, some one just woke up.
But I doubt anything will happen, it is just lip service.
Somethings will never change. |
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fimah profiteer

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 00:48 by fimah
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Fall of ARTC shares. Will the fall continue?
May be the year 2009 shall end with 60 fils or more earnings per share. Will they distribute it to the old shareholders? then it could make some sense to old shareholders. But they don't have cash as per reports...
It was ideal if they thought some compensation to old shareholders.
With the same profitability of say AED 800M per year Vs. the new capital, the earnings will become 1/3, ie., only 20 fils Vs. 60 fils earlier.
In other words the PE ratio become three times costly whereas book value remained the same. It does not make logic, if the new capital cannot bring similar size of 60 fils per share earnings. In other words, the new capital should bring the profitability of AED 2.4 billion Vs. the current profitability of say AED 800M (only rough numbers estimated here).
Therefore, deal seems to be strong dilution to old shareholders for short term in terms of reduced dividend yield / reduced earnings.
I am not sure, but dilution in earnings as above tell me to exit... Please correct me, If I am not thinking correctly...fimah |
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bandakok speculator


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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 03:20 by bandakok
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If ARTC get more money to put up more shares in the market as i understand = split shares , otherwise the just keep throwing unlimited shares for anyone with money. Somethingys are still not clear about Abaar offer and the whole deal, ARTC does not own 70% of its shares thus any more shares thrown in the market have to be equaly distributed to current share holders or ARTC has to convince me and all other investors to sell at a loss for their benefit ( i dont know how they will do that )
If i am asked to sell my shares i would ask more money not less.
There is 2 ARTC, 1 construction 2, holding. which one is Abaar buying into ? i always avoided reading the small print on my insurance policy and i think there is too many small prints here. in my openion ARTC shares have to go up or this deal might not go through.ARTC is a profit making company and has nothing to do with Dw or other goverment entity so they are not D asstes and they cant swap or sell it as mentioned in one of the posts |
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fayesloan horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 03:43 by fayesloan
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| Artc smalltime long term shareholders who are reluctant sellers should either buy more shares or wait for Aabar to spin it off several years into the future when it can find the private buyers for the contractor in better days. There is too much dilution now and i wonder if small shareholders have the capital to keep up. Regarding analysis, info is murky and hard to come by which strongly suggests even big stakeholders do not have a good idea of what they are doing. Nothing new there. See Tamlak fiasco. So I will go by my gut feeling, not "block theory", and say much better to sell Artc shares on any multiweek rallies. Yes this post is about the merger, SW, my other about Aabar shares after merger information. But nice try anyway! |
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Novice_investor horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 06:49 by Novice_investor
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| fimah wrote: |
| With the same profitability of say AED 800M per year Vs. the new capital, the earnings will become 1/3, ie., only 20 fils Vs. 60 fils earlier. |
hi
the additional capital of 6.4 bn dhms... how will this money be used i guess decides the fate of this stock... if an existing share holder looks at the status quo without looking forward then :
Artc is issuing a convertible bond which would be purchased by aabar... now what is dampening is that assume artc pays aabar 5% interest on this bond for 3 yrs and then converts into shares (assumption, fair terms)... then we might be looking at a potential interest expense of aed 300 mn a yr ... and then on 3rd yr... when the market might have recovered... artc offers aabar a 70% stake in the company at the 2009/10 book value... the actual drop in EPS and the shareholding dilution will happen then not now...
rgds
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fimah profiteer

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 07:33 by fimah
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Yes Novice,
what you said make sense if they convert the shares after say 2 or 3 years. But look, even the bond interest will be eating their profits, that will leave less to shareholders. Short term - again could be negative?.
But, borrowing is better than capital. Your bond calculations at 5%p.a. is fair terms. For sure, they are going to collect their receivables in medium term, and will bring cash back to them. They could do a buy back of shares then?
The story is very clear, ARTC needs money to survive to meet commitments, that is a negative. It seems that they cannot think of aborting the deal. If its financial position is not good, it will reflect in its share price gradually for short term. ...fimah |
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OnlineTrader mercenary


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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 08:41 by OnlineTrader
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| fimah wrote: |
With the same profitability of say AED 800M per year Vs. the new capital, the earnings will become 1/3, ie., only 20 fils Vs. 60 fils earlier.
In other words the PE ratio become three times costly whereas book value remained the same. It does not make logic, if the new capital cannot bring similar size of 60 fils per share earnings. In other words, the new capital should bring the profitability of AED 2.4 billion Vs. the current profitability of say AED 800M (only rough numbers estimated here). |
What is the meaning of P/E ?
Well we all know it is devident of price per earning but which earning? last year earning? after increasing capital?
So talking about P/E we must care about this parameters.
60 fills you mentioned , fimah, is for last year for smaller capital, when company is increasing the capital it means they brig more money in to continue company strategy which is normally is profit making , so we can not increase the capital and then keep earning at it was.
If so, why not decrease it and keep the earning then P/E will be lower !
60 fills will be owned by shareholders who own share at the time of board meeting , normally anounced by the company, which means for me, there should be one EGM before this capital increase take place in order to discuss last year devident. |
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spin horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 09:03 by spin
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| fimah wrote: |
| In other words the PE ratio become three times costly whereas book value remained the same. It does ... |
To take fimah's numbers a little forward, let us look at what it will take to maintain same level of EPS. Artc now makes an EPS of 60 fils and was forecast to maintain this level, so let us take this as our basis. With the new capital this translates into a net profit of AED2.4 billion as fimah calculated. At the peak of the property boom, Artc's net margin peaked at around 14% I think, a more solid sustainable "peak" margin was 12.5-13% (now they are making 8-10%), but let us take 14% as our base case. AED2.4 billion at 14% net profit margin results in a required revenue of just above AED17billion - double what they do presently and almost 70% above anything they did at peak time. The order book required to generate this sort of revenue should be around 2.5x17 = AED43 billion; i.e. a backlog of 2.5 years that should be continuously replineshed.
Even with the Russain project and all the other projects in Dubai, pre cancellations and suspensions, Artc backlog was just around these levels at the "peak".
Are Abu Dhabi projects sufficient to sustain this level of backlog and replinesh for the next 5-6 years? Are the Saudi and other international projects going to deliver a generous margin? As a sensitivity please note that a 10% margin on AED17 billion revenue would deliver an EPS of 42 fils with the new capital.
A realistic sustainable revenue stream will be around AED12 billion with a backlog of AED30 billion, replinshed regularly. A net profit margin of 10% seems reasonable given the costs involved in setting up overseas operations. This would translate to an EPS of 30 fils. Given the uncertain economic climate and cyclicity of the business, apply a conservative P/E of 8 (some would even say 6), then a fair price for Artc would seem to be AED2.4 (or AED1.8 for a P/E of 6; remember that at AED3.6 and EPS of 60 fils the P/E is 6, which is where the stock price was at its platue for 2009, ignoring the short bubble that took it to almost AED4) - at best. |
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sam111sam capitalist

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 12:15 by sam111sam
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| spin wrote: |
| To take fimah's numbers a little forward, let us look at what it will take to maintain same level of ... |
Great Analysis from Spin and Fimah
No doubt, the additional 70% share issued to Aabar will drastically dilute the profit per share. If ARTC maintains the current profit level its P/E will drop from 4 to 13.
But the question is ?
Why Aabar needs that huge amount of money. Dhs 6.4B is a HUGE sum (3XDSI !)
Does Aabar needs the cash to cover for the Dhs 2B delayed payments from Dubai projects ?...Or
They need this Dhs 6.4B to acquire new companies and/or new business/contracts ?
If ARTC has a solid plan to employ this new huge cash injection in the same way they employed their own original capital then it is a win-win deal for both.
I like to give some credit to the smart management teams at Aabar and ARTC... Let's hope they know what they do
P.S Given the lack of infor I sold yesterday all my Aabar shares and will not touch ARTC above Dhs 2.4 |
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Novice_investor horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 12:31 by Novice_investor
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| sam111sam wrote: |
| Why Aabar needs that huge amount of money. Dhs 6.4B is a HUGE sum (3XDSI !) ... |
hi
i think ARTC needs this huge amount of money coz thats the only way Aabar can buy a 70% in artc...
i agree with you... this looks more like a bailout (if it is?) than a buyout... i personally think its neither... why the price and why the whole deal in the first place... answers to these questions are somewhere else...
a question... i read somewhere that around 80% shares of ARTC are free floating... how will they manage a 75% agreement to this deal... any idea on the shareholding ... ?
rgds
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bandakok speculator


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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 12:56 by bandakok
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80% this deal will not go through at this price unless ARTC has won some big projects and need cash injection to put up garantee bonds. but 6.4B is big for any project if there is still any of those here.
Something in that whole deal is smelling but what is it.
i am holding my ARTC and buying more. |
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Cash King horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 13:07 by Cash King
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Hi bandakok ,
I 100% agree with u and 110% sure this is not going to happen. It is a part of Game.
Some smart investor either from ARTC or Aabar wants to take advantage before some really Excited news.
This is only my opinion may be other differ with it.
Lets wait n watch carefully.
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spin horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 14:11 by spin
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... that this is not a good deal for Arabtec shareholders from an equity point of view. Before we jump the gun and ask Artc to demand more, let us look at it from Aabar's point of view. Here is a crude attempt at doing that.
Aabar pumps in AED6.4 billion for 70% stake. Let us take one approach following from my previous post, i.e. assume Artc sustains a net profit of AED1.2 billion going forward from year 2010 onwards. Aabar's share of this is 70% or AED840 million; i.e. 13% return on AED6.4 billion with a 7 year payout period, not bad. Aabar's has 3.128 billion outstanding shares. So contribution from Artc profits translates to 27 fils EPS to Aabar. Now Aabar has AED990 million liquid cash and AED28 billion in investments they can liquidate. Assuming they wouldn't want to borrow or touch the AED8.9 billion reserves they carry (all numbers as per Q3 statements) then they will have to liquidate some investments to come up with the money. Also note that Aabar has AED8.1 billion loans to service and pay up, half of which are short term.
So, if I were an Aabar shareholder right now I would also be somewhat nervous, asking myself questions like:
"What will happen to my book value if Aabar touches the reserves and given it is an investment company book value matters?"
"If we borrow more, how much of future profits and at what point in the future will I see?"
"If we sell some of our investments, then which one will go? Daimler? To buy Artc? Where is the logic?"
"Can we sell something else? like what? I thought Virgin Galactic, Falcon, Tesla and Atlantia were all strategic investments, no?"
Ok then it looks to me they will probably access the reserves, which will dilute the book value for the Aabar investor. Aah but then surely the 70% of Artc will be captured under investments? Right. But didn't we say Artc is in a tight corner and needs this money initially to survive, why else accept such a poor deal? Right. So Aabar can carry its stake under investments in its books, but when will I, the hypothetical Aabar investor, see a return on my investment? One year? How clear is that?
So I am not sure Aabar can offer much more than what it already has. |
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Novice_investor horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 14:44 by Novice_investor
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| spin wrote: |
| Aabar pumps in AED6.4 billion for 70% stake. Let us take one approach following from my previous post, ... |
hi...
a few points i would add.
purchasing a bond from artc will provide the aabar with an interest income... maybe around say 3-5% p.a. so, the return on the investment actually kickstarts from the first day itself...
also on bond conversion... whenever that might happen... say 3yrs hence or 5 yrs hence... the real estate sector might be looking up by that time... and we might see a more steady ground for recovery worldwide... a higher book value for artc?... aabar then takes a 70% stake in artc at 2.3.
rdgs
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spin horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 14:59 by spin
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| Novice_investor wrote: |
| also on bond conversion... whenever that might happen... say 3yrs hence or 5 yrs hence... the real estate ... |
Not quite.
Aabar has already stated they expect bond conversion to occur 3 months after all approvals are taken care of. So anytime between April to June 2010 (this is my translation of 3 months), provided no hiccups in the process. |
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Novice_investor horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 15:25 by Novice_investor
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| spin wrote: |
| Aabar has already stated they expect bond conversion to occur 3 months after all approvals are taken ... |
thanks, i guess i missed this piece completely...was heading into a different direction all together...
would you be having any link to a text wherein this "3 months statement" is mentioned...i could not find it in the original statement from aabar.
rgds
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spin horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 15:35 by spin
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| Novice_investor wrote: |
| would you be having any link to a text wherein this "3 months statement" is mentioned...i could ... |
open the link below:
http://www.adx.ae/English/News/Pages/DualLanguagePressRelease9Jan2010Aabar_01-09-10%207_03_48%20PM.pdf
Last sentence:
| Aabar Press Release 09 January 2010: |
| Conversion date is expected to occur within three months of obtaining all the necessary approvals. The transaction will further consolidate Arabtec’s market leading position in its industry and marks Aabar’s industry leading position as a diversified investment group. |
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Novice_investor horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 16:12 by Novice_investor
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thanks spin... its clear now
i guess to begin with aabar investor can atleast count on the 70% stake in the profits... at aed 560 mn its a return of around 8.75%... not bad to start with...
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sam111sam capitalist

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 16:30 by sam111sam
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| spin wrote: |
| Aabar pumps in AED6.4 billion for 70% stake. Let us take one approach following from my previous post, i.e. assume Artc sustains a net profit of AED1.2 billion going forward from year 2010 onwards. ... |
Spin,
It is much worse in fact.
ARTC should close 2009 with Dhs 650m profits... This can not jump to Dhs 1200m in 2010...no way.
If ARTC does not acquire another company with existing projects it would be very hard to grow profits next year. Most local contractors now are biding for new projects with ZERO GP...They just want to use the equipment they have, maintain market share, and avoid mass lay offs. They want to maintain their structure, capacity, skills, and market share so that they are able to recover quickly when the market improves.
Even projects which were signed before the big crash are being revised in terms of price and costs...
Talk to any contractor and he will give you the real picture...
I do agree that this deal might not go through, it can be the largest game ever played in DFM |
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spin horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 16:58 by spin
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| sam111sam wrote: |
| If ARTC does not acquire another company with existing projects it would be very hard to grow profits ... |
sam111sam,
Yes I realise I am painting a best case scenario, but not an overly optimistic one - it is pitched towards the bullish investor to show that even if such profits are realised, the story isn't straightforward. Note that I use the profitability number as an annual average for the next 5-6 years, which will be challenging as you rightly point out. Could the whole episode by an act? I Doubt it. I have it on good authority that although the free float of Artc is "apparently" high the number of people representing over 50% of the shareholding at past AGMs has been less than a dozen. |
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Cash King horse trader

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 17:51 by Cash King
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Hi SW,
Is it possible that a survey or Poll can be conducted by SW on this issue. Do all the forum members agree that this arrangement will go through or not.
It is just a suggestion . I guess i have not done wrong against forum guide line.
In my opinion this will not go through.
We all have learn a lot form Emaar & Dubai Holding Fantacy Story.
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sharewadi moderator

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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 22:03 by sharewadi
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| Cash King wrote: |
| Is it possible that a survey or Poll can be conducted by SW on this issue. Do all the forum members agree that this arrangement will go through or not. |
Sure, but you don't need me to start a topic - anyone can start a poll. Question might be better worded as "do you think the deal will go through" or similar . _________________ UAE IPO list | posting guidelines |
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OnlineTrader mercenary


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Posted on Mon 11 Jan 2010 22:11 by OnlineTrader
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Gyus,
Besides all this P/E anad other financial ratios calculations, who is still buying ARTC?
Just within last 6 months we had two crisis, DP world merger and DW debt.
And market crashed after those two with some limit downs, but now although ARTC price declined from it's tripple top at 2.96 to 2.6 today (only 10% down) while it has started it's move from 2.33.
So considering price movement and big orders executed don't you think a consolidation taking place?
only close to 190 m shares traded withing two days with no limit down! |
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