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Countering computers' move

Posted on Mon 04 Jan 2010 15:39 by thajuddeen
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OnlineTrader wrote:
I really didn't see any sign of bearish behavior at that time, and off course this is the difference between me as a less knowledged trader and smart traders who sold at prices above 4.24.


I read elsewhere in the forum that computers are involving in trading.

That should mean some automated selling or buying when some prices are hit based on expected trend sets.

That's why we could see some patterns in the price movements to some extend.

Even block of 48 fils could be part of a major computer or automated system in use in the market.

If you study the recent history of EMAAR, you will find an obstancle area around 4.24. And that's why I called 4.24 for the tower hype as the build up for the tower opening started from a low of 3.76 and a block from there is 4.24.

1/3 of a block or 13 fils from 3.76 gives you 3.89 that could be a possible low for the rally to continue and EMAAR breaking above 4.24.

Breaking 3.89 and then 3.76 has to be a bearish reversal rather than a profit booking dip.
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What a shame..

Posted on Mon 04 Jan 2010 20:01 by ITSME
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today belonged to EMAAR,atleast the share price should have touched a new high like burj dubai,instead ...


Today everyone was expecting DFM to trade in higher range on the occasion of Burj Dubai opening.But it was shocking to see the Market is going down heavily although worldwide Markets were trading in green..DFM was down like anything...what a shame...

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Re: What a shame..

Posted on Mon 04 Jan 2010 20:38 by thajuddeen
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Today everyone was expecting DFM to trade in higher range on the occasion of Burj Dubai opening.But it ...

Not really, it is how the stock market is.

A lot of people were waiting for this moment for a few weeks to sell around 4.24, a traditional profit booking area rising from around 2.00.

A lot of this sellers may get back to it on the dip below 4.00, say around 3.90 and that will make an extention of the rally that may extend to above 5.00.

Tomorrow I will expect another wave that may hit around 4.20 before probably closing below 4.00 on Wednesday.
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I like challenges

Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 00:42 by thajuddeen
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He might be useful to you to keep the forum rolling or increasing thread counts; but practically no use to members visiting here. For example, you have 8 pages for a thread called 'Emaar Trend Analysis' and thats a stock which moved from 4.00 to 3.86 in last quarter and in a market where shorting is not legally permitted.

I like challenges. Smile

The thread is one of the most read and live having over 20,000 hits in less than two months. If it's not of any use to the visitors of the site why should they hit the thread.

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a stock which moved from 4.00 to 3.86 in last quarter

How misleading, if not stupid, to see things like this.

Let's see what EMAAR did during the last quarter Oct - Dec 2009:

1. Share price ranged between 2.32 and 5.01
2. Volume 5.089 Billion shares traded
3. Average daily price range is 4.91% (High - Low / Close %)
4. Highest price range in a day is 21.09% on 10 Dec 2009
5. Lowest price range 0% (3 times), two limits downs and one limit up (I will mention it as Four Price Doji that SW will be impressed by my Technical Knowledge) Razz
6. Highest volume was on 02 Nov 2009 - 412 million shares (4.11 - 4.37). There is some helpful similarities in current price movement and at the beginning of Nov 2009. I recommend a study of the prices then to help your trades now.
7. 62 sessions traded

This data is compiled from BTFLIVE.COM. E&OE.

With that I will take leave for few days and make way for the so-called most senior and highly intelligent members to quide people in the right direction.

I will stay useless to myself.
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Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 00:50 by bandakok
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expect Emaar to recover tomorrow in a green day so is ARTC.
BD had many HP guest at the opening and HP investors.
With new potential projects in yemen expected very soon for both ( U.S say )

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Re: I like challenges

Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 07:01 by sharewadi
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How misleading, if not stupid, to see things like this.

It's not misleading, or stupid. It's a statistic, and one that is easy to disprove if it is not correct. How statistics are discussed or portrayed might be misleading. As for being stupid, it is generally the start of a trip down flamewar lane when someone or something is called "stupid". Please don't do that.
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Re: I like challenges

Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 08:08 by Novice_investor
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How misleading, if not stupid, to see things like this...

hi...

if emaar moved from 4 to 3.86 in one quarter or 10 quarters... thats completely irrelevant for a trader...

Taj's point - i agree with... which simply points out that there were numerous opportunities that Emaar stock presented in the last one quarter for a trader to make money...

Taj's posts are technical and at times I dont agree with them (thats my right)... however they are leadings posts... which are well worked on... and are mathematically intelligent...

carry on guys !

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Re: I like challenges

Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 09:26 by OnlineTrader
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Taj's posts are technical and at times I dont agree with them (thats my right)... however they are leadings posts... which are well worked on... and are mathematically intelligent...


With my respect to Taj, I can not completely agree with you.
Taj posts in this thread is not technical analysis, I call it semi-technical, why?
In technical analysis we use a lot of technical indicators and discuss their behavior /suppost/resistance /patterns, while Taj is trying to develop one special methos which he discovered about Emaar.

Please don't be misleaded, Taj's posts are sometimes valid and usefull even if you can not call them pure technical analysis.

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Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 12:50 by mohsent
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OnlineTrader wrote:
while Taj is trying to develop one special methos which he discovered about Emaar.


What Taj did in my opinion was very useful and quiet accurate (at least to me). I’m not sure what you call it … technical or semi-technical analysis since I’m not that expert like you guys … however in my opinion, he is an intelligent guy who zoomed on EMAAR share to study its relevant trends and moves during a period of time and came up with very relevant mathematical formals to support his analysis ACCURATELY.

He doesn’t have any hidden agenda since he doesn’t hold EMAAR shares and he repeatedly mentioned that in the forum.

Carry on Taj, thanks for all your efforts … I’m a regular reader of your posts and it brought a lot of insight to a beginner like me. Please continue the journey you started.

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Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 13:05 by OnlineTrader
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What Taj did in my opinion was very useful and quiet accurate (at least to me). I’m not sure what you ...


This was what I been expecting and was afraid that people will think I am attacking Thaj's work here.

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I enjoy Reading Taj Posts

Posted on Tue 05 Jan 2010 13:46 by sam111sam
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Over the years, Taj has been the most consistent here

Always polite and mostly correct

He must have invested 1000 hr of his time sharing his thoughts with all of us.

I just wish that he would invest few extra minutes explaining better what he means..I struggle sometime till I understand his point...May be it is my broken English Laughing

KEEP IT UP TAJ

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Posted on Wed 06 Jan 2010 10:10 by Suhail
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Technical analysis is basically a study of stock price and volume for forecasting the future direction of the prices. It includes the indicators as mentioned by Online Trader but not limited to it. Any formula or logical deduction which is based on price and/or volume and helps in forecasting the future direction of price is technical analysis.

Now if you throw in some random numbers (not even remotely linked with market data) and apply technical analysis indicators, you will find a pattern. The reason being, human natures involvement. As technical analysis is not a pure science, you can derive the result which ‘you want to’. I think, perhaps (its just my personal non-confirmed opinion) that to avoid that human nature’s interference, we have a set of well defined, recognized and widely accepted technical analysis indicators.

A widely used word / sentence in our forum is : I see a bubble forming at ‘this’ price. Now what is a bubble? A stock market bubble is a type of economic bubble taking place in stock markets when market participants drive stock prices above their value in relation to some system of stock valuation. Stock valuation is a fundamental figure which does not change on hourly or daily basis; and so is bubble which does not form on every hour or day.

Challenges – I neither challenge anybody nor accept challenge when it comes to stock market. Anyone who is in the market would vouch that however smart you are and flex your muscles at your fundamental analysis or technical analysis knowledge, market often humbles you to the core and brings you back to the floor. I am still in learning stage; however I can very well distinguish between analysis and ‘analysis’.

Coming back to ‘Emaar Trend Analysis’; I am attaching here the chart of Emaar for the last 90 days.



The only two opportunities traders had were from 3rd Nov to 11th Nov and the sharp recovery on 4 days post DW noise. In theory, we are often told that for some traders weekly or monthly is a long term chart and for some even 30 minutes chart is long-term. Having said and read all that, I wish, I could see the demat account of any smart trader with date and price data only who had cashed one of these two opportunities or even any opportunity in the last 90 days.

The non-holding of a certain stock and expressing unbiased opinion on it - I should be extraordinarly naive to assume that if I hold certain overpriced stock and posting bullish statement on DST would bail me out.

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Posted on Wed 06 Jan 2010 12:09 by Novice_investor
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Suhail wrote:
The only two opportunities traders had were from 3rd Nov to 11th Nov and the sharp recovery on 4 days post DW noise. ...


hi...

every day the stock moves beyond 0.55% (broker cost)... its an opportunity to make money... being a trader does not imply using analysis and charts... also, being a trader does not imply expecting 10% plus returns on every transaction... i know traders/friends managing massive amounts who trade on few pips every day...

so... emaar had numerous trading opportunities...

on a separate note... its fairly easy to prove or disprove an analysis... all one needs to do is put together all the predictions an analysts has given and just compare it with the market... as most technical analysts would have their own unique ways to arrive at a certain conclusion...

personally speaking... i am yet to see any technical analysis even 70% correct... leave alone 100%...

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Posted on Wed 06 Jan 2010 14:34 by Rashid
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Emaar momentum, The Inauguration of Burj Dubai, has been bought with royal money and I can't say much, but I am extremely disappointed.

From now on, the stock has no many options, but move purely on technicals.

If it will make you feel any better, here is what Al Abbar said during the inauguration ceremony: “It will have a positive impact on the first, second and third quarters of this year”

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Posted on Wed 06 Jan 2010 14:41 by Rashid
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Sam wrote:
Over the years, Taj has been the most consistent here


managed to survive the 1500+ posts Wink without deactivation


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Posted on Wed 06 Jan 2010 15:05 by Mpower
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I have made money out of Taj's opinions on Emaar, he's opinion matters to me a lot when it comes to Emaar.

If i were to buy Emaar , i would certainly base it on Taj's opinion anyday, his articulation on matter's of technical analysis have been pretty clear, you don't have to be a broker or someone with a technical background to understand what he is trying to say.

Taj hats off. Please do give your input on Emaar, it certainly helps my bank account.

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Posted on Wed 06 Jan 2010 15:40 by aerojack
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Thaj,

i agreed with suhail,first that you need to stay in this forum.

Secondly we all know its a discussion forum,we sometimes need to question,discuss and understand the logic behind someones opinion.
Positive arguements always lead to positive and innovative thinking.
Most of people here are anonymous,we just share our views and challenge our thought process.
Everybody has its own rationale and technical analysis theory,so lets stick to it and keep on challengin each other,so that one day we are able to beat this beast called stock market.

I feel nobody should think of leaving this forum,sharewadi has provided us a great platform,which wont have been otherwise possible and we would have all been lost in a young and immature share market of UAE.

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Posted on Fri 08 Jan 2010 14:09 by dxb
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Hello all,
Can smeone pls advise, is it right time to enter emaar at current price? And will it see one more dip or a rally is expected?
Thanks in advance...

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Posted on Fri 08 Jan 2010 17:03 by sharewadi
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Can smeone pls advise, is it right time to enter emaar at current price?

Er, not really. No one can tell you the right time to enter Emaar (EMAAR) or advise you. Other people can and will tell you what they are doing and what they think about buying Emaar (or any other share) but in the end you should be making your own decisions.

Relying on someone else's advice about buying stocks usually ends up being a painful way to learn why you shouldn't.
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That's bad

Posted on Tue 12 Jan 2010 15:59 by thajuddeen
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Breaking 3.89 and then 3.76 has to be a bearish reversal rather than a profit booking dip ....

I cann't resist here. Very Happy

Today's closing had a severe damage on any possible extention of the rally.

Those who followed the BLOCK theory might have a clue what's coming when SHUAA broke below 1.40 at the beginning of the week.

Though it's a long way, 2.16 is a BLOCK patterned support that could be the bottom when global stocks reverse.

I leave it to you to swing with the market. Smile

Consider it one of the rare posts as I am still looking for a job.
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Re: That's bad

Posted on Tue 12 Jan 2010 16:29 by OnlineTrader
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thajuddeen wrote:
I leave it to you to swing with the market.

Consider it one of the rare posts as I am still looking for a job.


I been thinking about you, Thaj, and you just back.
Thanks for the remider post and good to see you.
I am permanently out of UAE and although wanted to help you but really can't.
Hope you will find a job you deserve it.

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Re: That's bad

Posted on Tue 12 Jan 2010 16:37 by OnlineTrader
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Though it's a long way, 2.16 is a BLOCK patterned support that could be the bottom when global stocks reverse.


Yes it is a long way but possible, but before that if this bearish pattern continues then 3.5 will be first support and then 3.15.

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A puase and a pull back

Posted on Thu 14 Jan 2010 00:33 by thajuddeen
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Last week Wednesday was having lowest prices and before that couple of weeks Thursday had the the lowest prices on most of the stocks. So probably we might have had the best price of the week already.

But the picture is not very promising as my comparative study of prices with SMA10 shows fall might continue. EMAAR, DFM, ALDAR etc have traded below 90% of SMA10. Prices have also fallen below the bolinger.

Current prices are good for short covering and selling on the rise.

THE 5 FILS THEORY - The Minor Block?
It's interesting to watch a phenomenon in EMAAR stock, in particular, a check on <=5 fils rebound during a day is bad sign. 5 fils is a minor grid of say 50 fils block. Consider it a food for thought.

It failed to break above 5 fils from the following positions.

a) 3.84-3.89
b) 3.72-3.77

c) 3.65-3.70
d) 3.59-3.64

It was able to break that sequence from 3.48 when it atleast traded upto 3.57 before closing at 3.55.

So it might be the next couple of days most probably trading around today's range before deciding a move.

A sharp rebounding close for tomorrow as US stocks sport good gains as at now.
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With love to Suhail and all

Posted on Thu 14 Jan 2010 09:20 by thajuddeen
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A widely used word / sentence in our forum is : I see a bubble forming at ‘this’ price. Now what is a bubble? A stock market bubble is a type of economic bubble taking place in stock markets when market participants drive stock prices above their value in relation to some system of stock valuation. Stock valuation is a fundamental figure which does not change on hourly or daily basis; and so is bubble which does not form on every hour or day....

Suhail,
First thing you have to understand is that most of the members here are ordinary people, they trade or invest in stocks without a proper plan or study. I am a man who is wiped out by the market trying to swing with the market without really picking the market right. The only asset I have now is the experience of burning money and the lessons from my heartbreaking experience.

BUBBLES-What's a bubble?
When I mention, Bubble of Strength and Bubble of Weakness, I really don't konw there is an explanation in technical analysis.

I really have very little knowledge of stock market bubbles in their orginal meaning.

BUBBLE OF WEAKNESS
I found weakness and strength in market when prices jump from previous sessions close to open at a new price leaving a few fils untraded in between. In the last session EMAAR had a bubble at 3.71 which is not traded in the previous session or in the last session. I am not calling it a bubble of weakness yet. But the last session in October when EMAAR opened a 'bubbled gap down' at 4.55 while the previous close was 4.67 and previous low was 4.64, I called it a 'Bubble of Weakness'. Market is still under that weakness and the stock is still to trade 4.60 and above after that.

BUBBLE OF STRENGTH (ARMX)
I mentioned elsewhere ARMX is trading with a bubble of strength ( 1.22-1.28 ). ARMX had gone to hit 1.90 staying above this bubble. Those who are reasearch minded could do a study of ratio between breadth of bubble and breadth of bubble to peak. Blocks of 50 fils was seen in this stock as well when it traded from 1.02 to 1.52 then 1.28-178 then 1.90-1.40 etc.

EMAAR CYCLES
194 fils is a common cycle in EMAAR. It fell from 4.21 (14/06/09) peak to 2.27 (13/07/09) bottom which is 194 fils and now it rose from 2.32 to 4.26 again 194 fils. I mean to say, most of the time, EMAAR doing it in 4 blocks. I don't know the extention to hit 5.01 is the so called 'fifth wave'.

TRENDS
As I have full of free time now, I could watch stock and find trends in every 5 fils. See my previous post to get an idea of what kind of trends that come to my mind and what's a trend to me rather than an international definition of trend or bubble.

CONCLUSION
I know Suhail is more professional and intelligent enough to understand things without my explanation but I am explaining these things that some people will understand what I mean when I use some unconventional words that might have some other meanings in traditional technical analysis. My views might be narrow or illdefined so beware. Yet you could still use it as a resourse to balance your views and share a thought where I may better focus.
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Where is that rebound?

Posted on Thu 14 Jan 2010 14:29 by thajuddeen
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Market didn't do that rebound today but stayed above yesterday's low.

The trend is downward but it could do a good rebound still.

I will expect a trading day that may range between 10-15% in the coming week.
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