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nothing opportunist

Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted on Thu 29 Oct 2009 10:44 by nothing
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can any one tell why al madina shares limit down for several sessions.
within a month the price came down from dhs 6.25 today dhs.1.46
that too limit down where as more than 5million sellers and no buyers !
as though i am new to this forum, surprised this stock is unnoticced and no views
awaitng for your views
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sharewadi moderator

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 13383 Location: up the wadi without a paddle
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Posted on Thu 29 Oct 2009 11:04 by sharewadi
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Hello nothing and welcome to the no-limits Dubai stock forum .
I don't know of a specific reason but as Al Madina Finance (ALMADINA) on the DFM is a secondary listing for a Kuwait based company, there is usually limited trading levels and interest. In recent days, volumes have jumped significantly for several secondary listings, including Al Madina. It could be that the Dubai price was lagging the Kuwait price and is just catching up now. Or check the Kuwait Stock Exchange (KSE) website to see if there are any disclosures that might be relevant. Also check the Al Madina share price behaviour there to see if it correlates to Dubai share price and volumes. _________________ UAE IPO list | posting guidelines |
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lala mercenary

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Location: dubai
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Posted on Thu 29 Oct 2009 23:52 by lala
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hi nothing
these all are amost bankcrupt companies,(1)gfh(2)al madina(3) ektikab,better go and gamble in casino rather then trades in those stocks.
al madina low was .055 kuwaiti fils multiple 12.75=around .70 fils
yesterday there was an pump and dump rally in kuwait just bec here prices was much much higher then there and today again near lower lock in kuwait.
u can trade with those shares as same as u betting in casino with a 5% portfolio of yours.i knew some of my friends bought these scrapy s---- few days back and already lost around 40% in last few days.
i had never seen gambler win money at last from equity market only investors survived here,its my 20 years experienced.
play safe
and invest with safest companies
Lala _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s |
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Bill Gates pauper
Joined: 12 May 2009 Posts: 7
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Posted on Fri 30 Oct 2009 01:31 by Bill Gates
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Hi Lala,
What you mean by Gambling? The day trading will not come under the definintion of gambling? |
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technical charletan

Joined: 16 Oct 2009 Posts: 10
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Posted on Fri 30 Oct 2009 10:16 by technical
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yeah, i would tend to agree that trading in the financial markets are all a gamble. at least this was how i and my colleagues 10 years ago used to sell spot currency trading to our investors actually, that's a sales pitch more than anything else. But, if you think about it, on hindsight, everything in life is a gamble. You cross the street, thats a gamble if you survive without getting sideswiped. Drive along the speed lane of sheikh zayed road and you surely understand what betting your life is all about. You take a corporate job, its a gamble as to where it will take you. At the end of the day, its all about our appetite for risk. We have our own choices to make which ones are riskier and which ones are not(less risky).
we may have our own reasons to gamble (TRADE) our money either in equities or at the casino, the differences lie if we bet using some theoretical basis (a scientific guess) or we choose our positions blindly (but professional poker players may prove to have theoretical hints to play smartly). Still, everything else is a gamble. Nothing is sure in life. Everytime i read of some posts in this forum using the word SURE or GUARANTEED, i tend to squirm in disbelief--- but would rather not comment and just smile at it. Maybe its just a way of unintentionally delivering words and not taking much heed of it without necessarily being forceful. Just like how sharewadi would remind us to rather use the words-- "i believe, or strongly suggest, or high probability" or something to that effect.
As we all SHOULD know, trading is an art, not a science. if its a perfect science then everyone should be rich by now. |
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nothing opportunist

Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted on Fri 30 Oct 2009 17:36 by nothing
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| lala wrote: |
| these all are amost bankcrupt companies,(1)gfh(2)al madina(3) ektikab,better go and gamble in casino rather then trades in those stocks |
lala. i am talking about al madina stock, in kuwait the value did not fall 75% within a month like DFM. Would you please show us some proof this company is going to be Bankrupt, simply do not add more fuel to this stock as it is it is the lowest price as of now
Rather you say there are few unscrupulous traders picked up this stock because they can make more panic with small traders, watch this stock the same people bringing to max. limit down and same people will take maximum limit ups. whereas the small investor get panic and lose everything
Mark my words and Please watch this Stock.
My advise those who holding this stock, please do not anic and lose your hard earned money without any proper news.
this is my view |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Tue 03 Nov 2009 14:12 by thajuddeen
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The problem in dual listed stocks (DFM & KSE) is that DFMGI index was on a peak while Kuwait Index was on a low.
Now prices are coming in line.
Traders may pick ALMADINA in the range 1.05 - 1.10 with stop loss below 1.00. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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nothing opportunist

Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted on Wed 04 Nov 2009 14:09 by nothing
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I saw al madina web page of Kuwait they annonced 1st of nov. that they made 3rd qtr profit and they said, that even make more profit in coming months, although news is in arabic , but when i translated in english it says .
Still i dont understand why with in one month 80% value is gone down and everyday it is in red, people like me stuck up at purched at higher price.
I am woried , any idea when it will climb up? |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Thu 05 Nov 2009 15:32 by thajuddeen
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| nothing wrote: |
| I am woried , any idea when it will climb up?... |
Yeah
Someday it will go up
LIMIT UP
LIMIT UP
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If you check the history of METHAQ you will find it falling, falling and falling and later going up, up and up.
The Stock is now traidng high volumes at low prices means accumulation.
WAIT is the key for those who bought and held at higher prices.
I made a couple of trades in this stock and made 5% while prices falling.
I hope it will not fall below 0.99 in line with recent KUWAIT prices. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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nothing opportunist

Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted on Thu 05 Nov 2009 21:04 by nothing
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Hi to all,
Those who hold al madina shares,
History will repeat, Just notice of 2007 performance , as Thaj, said be patient, many limit up will come up as it progress, world market better on its way of recovery, dont panic!
This is my view, |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sat 07 Nov 2009 14:48 by thajuddeen
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Though ALMADINA closed at 1.07 (PIVOT) but not before trading heavily at limit down (1.03).
The stock failed to cross 82 fils in Kuwait and closed one fils down (81). The recent lowest price in Kuwait is 79 fils. Applying 12.50 to the lowest price, Aed 0.99 which will be couple of fils above limit down and could be an entry point early on. The risk is the stock falls below 79 in Kuwait.
The stock has been falling for the last couple of weeks and the lowest of the bubble is between 1.23 and 1.32. At Aed 0.99 it will be about 20% down from the lowest of the bubbles.
I really have a few cues on the fundmentals of the company. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sat 07 Nov 2009 18:17 by thajuddeen
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The stock is falling everyday in DUBAI but it is having a tug of war between buyers and sellers in Kuwait.
In the last two days the stock traded good volume in a stagnant range 80-82.
At the end of October the stock fell to 76 fils before breaking out to 94 fils in two days but fell with a bubble to 80. SMA10 has just crossed over SMA25 after couple of months while a small negative divergence has just begun. That explains the tug of war.
So breaking the 86 barrier will help continue the uptrend breaking below 76 means another leg down.
At the moment it looks like more of a consolidation but buy only lower prices untill a confirmation. Once it breaks 86 in Kuwait hold for good gains. Traders to stop loss once it breaks 76 in Kuwait. Traders can also buy at higher prices when it breaks above 86 in Kuwait. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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lala mercenary

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Location: dubai
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Posted on Sat 07 Nov 2009 20:07 by lala
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sallam and hi to all
al madina major shareholder 25% stake in ektikab holding,tommorow ektikab result,so becareful guys
IF the result bad for ektikab then doom doom.
play safe
lala _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 19:12 by thajuddeen
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| lala wrote: |
al madina major shareholder 25% stake in ektikab holding,tommorow ektikab result,so becareful guys
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Respecting lala's advise, I kept away from ALMADINA trading today.
In fact, I saved myself from any trade today.
Do you have any update on ektikab result, lala?
My plan is to try my luck tomorrow at 0.95 which is couple of fils above limit down and KD 0.076 x 12.50.
Thanks in advance. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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lala mercenary

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Location: dubai
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 21:22 by lala
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
My plan is to try my luck tomorrow at 0.95 which is couple of fils above limit down and KD 0.076 x 12.50.
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salam bro&welcome
i can,t found result for ekttitab holding,we might see tommorow morning at kuwait and dfm website.
my stratergy,
if result good above 3.5 million kuwaiti dinars profit for the 3rd qtr then i rush and buy around 1.01.
if if profit less then this,OR LOSSES then i will think twice to enter or not.
regarding al madina fundamentals:we all knew they showing losses from last few qtr,s,but there is an one positive news also
they issued new shares 43.1 million for madina real estate kuwaiti company at the price 198 kuwaiti fils 100 fils orignal and 98 fils premium,but not against cash they got in return a land in kuwait city
now the question is that land worth above 8 million kuwaiti?in current circumtances when mostly RE tank all over gulf states except saudi?
and second will they show this premium profit of 4 million kuwaiti this qtr in there book?or just shareholders equity surge and pb/v become less?
no clue
play safe
lala _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 21:59 by thajuddeen
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| lala wrote: |
| they issued new shares 43.1 million for madina real estate kuwaiti company at the price 198 kuwaiti fils ... |
Well...
Thanks for the info.
I was trading in outside UAE companies because I was afraid the reversal in UAE has just begun while Kuwait etc. has started the correction a little while ago and their shares might move up earlier and by then we might book profit and go back to our stocks when they are consolidating around the bottom.
Good luck to you and all. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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lala mercenary

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Location: dubai
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 22:02 by lala
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
| I was trading in outside UAE companies because I was afraid the reversal in UAE has just begun while ... |
Same thinking mine
But don,t forget Kuwait not tank in the past like here,and there results of 3rd qtr more worst then our local uae markets
http://www.gulfbase.com/site/interface/FinancialResults.aspx?m=4&q=3
Play safe
Lala _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s |
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nothing opportunist

Joined: 29 Oct 2009 Posts: 33
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 23:44 by nothing
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Hi to all,
This share is already tanked 83% within 40days ! all over GCC. I dont think any other share value went down so sharp like al madina did, that too last 6months all share price went at least 30 to 70% up from the bottom, When all started going down 3rd qtr of 2008 till 1st qtr of 2009, The valve of al madina did not come down so sharply! My qustion is why the share price did not come down during that time!
Now suddnely what happend every day is in RED, and people expect still to go down! What about people purchased at higher price ! May be our bad luck!
Moreover i do not understand why The company is quite and so far not re-asureing anything to the share holders? Can we hear something from them very soon? |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Mon 09 Nov 2009 09:04 by thajuddeen
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| nothing wrote: |
| This share is already tanked 83% within 40days ! ... |
In Dubai recently we saw ARTC falling from a peak (19.90) to a bottom (0.71) in 3 months time. Considering a 100% bonus shares received in between it still fell to around 7% of the peak. From the bottom it rose to over 500% well within a year.
These are good lessons. Don't try to catch a falling knife. Wait for a consolidation or momentum shift. I know, it's not an easy ask.
It's not necessary, you abandon stock trading just because you made a few mistakes. To err is men. Men can always learn and improve to win big. Patience is a great attribute to winning everywhere.
You ought to be an investor, otherwise you should have a stop loss. Investors are bount to wait.
Good luck! _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 07:48 by thajuddeen
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ALMADINA Stock looks like bottomed out at 0.99.
Stock showed a buying signal yesterday by closing above open and previous close. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 15:29 by thajuddeen
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This share was in priority list for day trading and in the last couple of days I switched my attention elsewhere.
In the last couple of days stock traded with 10% + range. From yesterday LOW to today's HIGH 20%. Cann't ask more.  _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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Sunilkhaitan charletan

Joined: 03 Aug 2009 Posts: 21
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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 16:34 by Sunilkhaitan
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
| In the last couple of days stock traded with 10% + range. From yesterday LOW to today's HIGH 20%. Cann't ... |
Thaj,
Your analysis for Al Madina and GFH seems going in right direction. I think GFH would also start showing some upward trend from tomorrow.
Could you please give some idea about GICCO for medium term prospectus.
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 18:10 by thajuddeen
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
The stock has been falling for the last couple of weeks and the lowest of the bubble is between 1.23 and 1.32. At Aed 0.99 it will be about 20% down from the lowest of the bubbles.
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Well, at 0.99 would have been a perfect bottom fishing for the time being.
The mathmatical point is the measure of 20% from a bubble could be a relatively safe entry point. Stock analysts could take it as an hypothisis.
It doesn't guarantee the stock is not to fall below 0.99 anytime soon. Also to keep the bullish momentum, the stock has to challenge 2.23 otherwise a recheck of 0.99 is on the card. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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OnlineTrader mercenary


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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 18:41 by OnlineTrader
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at 0.99 only 40000 share were traded, so who was very lucky to get those?
Some points:
1.After a long time bolinger bonds are getting closer to each other, another sign of getting ready for a trend.
2.Volumes increasing while price climbing.
3.For time being may be we don't see price lower than 1.00, so an entry point of 1.05-1.06 (I got this price by checking volumes traded in this range not by using S/R calculaton) looks safe with stop lose at 1.01.
Supports based on S/R caclculation: 1.05-1.00-0.93
Resistance: 1.17-1.24-1.29 |
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 18:51 by thajuddeen
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| OnlineTrader wrote: |
| 3.For time being may be we don't see price lower than 1.00, so an entry point of 1.05-1.06 (I got this ... |
Whereever I go, you're there is the slogan.
I had planned a 1.05 entry tomorrow. Let's compromise you buy 1.06 and I buy 1.05.  _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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