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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Fri 30 Oct 2009 08:46 by thajuddeen
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This stock is not illiquid for the last few sessions in UAE market.
Around 1.50 could be an ideal entry for the stock for couple of reasons:
1. It will be then in line with KUWAIT and BAHRAIN and
2. GGICO after the right issue consolidated just above the issue price (1.50).
A gap down on Monday but not hitting limit down could be a buy.
Target buy range 1.45-1.50.
Stop loss below 1.45. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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Krazy Guy profiteer

Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 74
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Posted on Fri 30 Oct 2009 22:42 by Krazy Guy
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Hi,
Although this is my first posting, it is not the first time i've been here. For months I have read and benefitted from this site.
What tempted me to join now is GFH and Taj's valuable comments about it.
My question is that I have invested in GFH @ 1.80 and saw limit down on Thursday (29 Oct, 2009). My question is, to the more expeirenced and especially Taj, with the GFH rights issue closing on 29th Oct, and allotment date on 05th November 2009, is there a chancep that the share price can come down with 30%+ on allotment date as it was issued at a 30+ discount.
Comments are welcome from anyone who has expeirence and know how on this.
Don't ask me why I invested in it, my mind just followed my crazy heart. |
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fayesloan horse trader

Joined: 21 Aug 2008 Posts: 184
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Posted on Sat 31 Oct 2009 01:09 by fayesloan
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I must agree with lala on this company.
Also, it is liquid recently only. It is suicidal if you are buying these shares without a minimum five year view.
Remember, learn your lessons fast. They cost money but learn them because if a 20% loss of capital looks bad now... That could be nothing in the future. |
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sharewadi moderator

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 13383 Location: up the wadi without a paddle
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Posted on Sat 31 Oct 2009 09:57 by sharewadi
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| Krazy Guy wrote: |
| Although this is my first posting, it is not the first time i've been here. |
Hello Krazy Guy and welcome to the oh-no-lets-go-crazy Dubai stock forum .
| Krazy Guy wrote: |
| Don't ask me why I invested in it, my mind just followed my crazy heart. |
That's not usually a profitable investment strategy. Then again, after the past 12 months of turmoil, perhaps it's as good as anything else .
| Krazy Guy wrote: |
| is there a chancep that the share price can come down with 30%+ on allotment date as it was issued at a 30+ discount. |
The share price would have adjusted for the rights issue price discount or premium already - around the time the market first knew about it.
There is also a record date when rights issue shares are issued, and on that day the share price will adjust. If it's a 30% rights issue then share price will be adjusted down by 30%. However that's not a real drop in price, since the number of shares you have will increase by 30%. And if you're thinking of waiting until then to buy shares cheaper, that's an illusion since there are more shares in total so you're getting a smaller fraction of ownership of the company.
More explanation in the UAE rights issue and Buyback vs bonus shares topics.
Before you rush out and invest all your money in GFH shares though, I suggest you read through the posts in this topic again. There are many explaining why GFH is much more risky than other stocks listed in the UAE. _________________ UAE IPO list | posting guidelines |
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Krazy Guy profiteer

Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 74
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Posted on Sat 31 Oct 2009 10:45 by Krazy Guy
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| sharewadi wrote: |
| There is also a record date when rights issue shares are issued, and on that day the share price will ... |
Thanks Sharewadi for your explaination. I think you are right because when I look at the charts in Reuters the last trade on 11th October is 1.54 (maybe price after reduction) and on 12th October the Open, high, low and last trade are all showing 2.31.
I think the price adjustment already took place on 11th October and will not be adjusted againt on allotment date (05th November).
If you could please shed some light on this.
| Press Release 09 October 2009: |
The offering period will open on October 15th 2009 and close on October 29th 2009 with an allotment date of 5th November 2009. All shareholders registered in the bank's shareholder register with the Registrar on the record date, set for Sunday 11th October 2009, will be eligible to take part in the rights issue with a rights entitlement of 19 shares for every 20 held.
As a result of the rights issue, GFH plans to raise its issued and paid up capital to $614,981,479 divided into 1,863,580,238 shares.
Commenting on today's announcement, Gulf Finance House Group CEO Ahmed Fahour said, "Over the past two months we've made very clear our intention to build GFH in to the world's leading Islamic investment bank. To do this we must have a strong balance sheet to handle global economic conditions and capitalize on growth opportunities. I'm pleased to say that our plans received the wholehearted backing of our shareholders at the EGM. In return, we promised to offer attractive pricing terms for the rights issue and we're pleased to live up to this commitment today by announcing a $0.38 cents offer which represents a 45% discount on the average three month share price." |
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lala mercenary

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Location: dubai
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Posted on Sat 31 Oct 2009 11:02 by lala
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sallam and hi to all
General thought,s h 0.05 cents premium rights issue,s fully subscribed,its means company have good potential can,t go further down let,s buyyyyyyyyy.
here i wanna give you example of similar type of non fundamental company:al madina
http://www.bayaninvest.com/pdf/KSE%20Right%20Issues'%20Calendar%20-%202009%20EN.pdf right issue with 0.98 kuwaiti fils premium means 100+0.98 fils=198 kuwaiti fils on 11-06-2009
and watch the graph what happens after those new right issue,s announcement, with company share prices
http://www.gulfbase.com/site/interface/CompanyProfile.aspx?page=stockchart&c=618
guys plz play safe(invest) in only good fundamentaly strong companies,who have arm and feets;)
for the short term trade gfh good buy on sunday near lower lock as taj said,loss max 7/8% chance gain can be 25%, a pure gamble.
http://www.btflive.net/exchanges/company.php?op=viewcustomchart&companyid=336
in march 2009 it was rebound too after 40% correction in kuwait market,and currently circumstances is same as march,but gamble with little money and with tight stop loss
Lala _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s |
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sharewadi moderator

Joined: 19 Aug 2005 Posts: 13383 Location: up the wadi without a paddle
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Posted on Sat 31 Oct 2009 12:58 by sharewadi
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| Krazy Guy wrote: |
| If you could please shed some light on this. |
That says record date was 11 October 2009. I understand that to mean shareholders on that day were eligible to subscribe to the rights issue. After that they weren't, so the share price would have changed on 12 October 2009.
On 05 November 2009 rights issue shares will be alloted to those who bought them so the amount of share capital will increase, number of shares will increase, and share price will decrease.
If you have a company worth AED 100 and one share, then the share is worth AED 100. If you change the number of shares to two, then each share is worth AED 50 but the value of the company is still the same. That's not exactly the same as the GFH rights issue since there is additional share capital issued but the principal is the same.
Have a look through the beginner investment forum at the dividend and share split topics for more explanation. _________________ UAE IPO list | posting guidelines |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 19:27 by thajuddeen
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What was the news in the news paper about GFH?
Today it rose to 122 fils in Kuwait.
Here it broke the double top at 1.59 and a small bubble between 1.60 and 1.62 to hit a high of 1.62 before closing near the low price at 1.55.
It's time to upgrade its trading trading entry range to 1.55-160 from 1.45-1.50.  _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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GPIC speculator

Joined: 05 Apr 2009 Posts: 323
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 20:48 by GPIC
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
| What was the news in the news paper about GFH? |
Hi
Could anyone throw any light on the statment issued by GFH on the DFM.
The statement was in arabic.
www.dfm.ae/documents/News%20Files/1d8d10db-39a3-44d2-b0de-0bc43dfa53bf.jpg
I have also noted that there has been a +9% increase in the GFH shares in the Bahrain and Kuwait exchanges over the last 4 sessions.
Does this equate to a AED1.65+ price for the stock on the DFM, and not the AED1.55 closing price.
Hope so!  |
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lala mercenary

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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 21:34 by lala
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sallam and hi to all
after a long watch wholeday,and smoked 2 packets of ciggerete i also gamble and bought gfh at closing 1.55(pure gamble)exit point:1.63
there is nothing news that capital in kuwait or bahrain change or prices suppose to be different,what i understand from disclosur.my arabic not good as same as my eng
but my six sense telling me,that right issue,s they sold around 300 millions dollars in last few days,
in this very bad time of liquidity crunch and company performance,they deff made some commitments with investors for good,so its very possible they might show some profit on 12-11-2009 for this qtr(hopefully).
and in kuwait stock exchange today its showed good performance too when index down around 50 points.
mainly i bought gfh to make some money for grocery,
let see
play safe
lala _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s
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GPIC speculator

Joined: 05 Apr 2009 Posts: 323
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 21:44 by GPIC
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| lala wrote: |
| after a long watch wholeday,and finished 2 packets of ciggerete........ |
I like your trading style...
...i guess this is better than any... .
Bought some myself at AED1.54 after i did a quick calculation at a target price of AED1.65.
I think there should be a nice 7% in there somewhere...! |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 21:48 by thajuddeen
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| lala wrote: |
| bought gfh at closing 1.55... |
Well and great, you already bought the stock at the lower end of my new entry range before I publish in DST.
My profit booking cue is 14 x K price (on the LOW or HIGH) depending on market trend. I wish you get 1.70 + by Tuesday on the momentum.
Good luck anyway. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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lala mercenary

Joined: 11 Dec 2006 Posts: 643 Location: dubai
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 21:53 by lala
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
| My profit booking cue is 14 x K price (on the LOW or HIGH) depending on market trend. I wish you get ... |
few days back i also bought at 1.46 then sold at 1.52,rebought at 1.50 and sold at 1.59(IN ONE DAY)
in real i don,t like to do day trades,AND I M BAD TOO IN DAY TRADES,but dunno why i feel some potential in this stock
might be i am wrong,i m playing in this with very tight stop loss
LALA _________________ its my opinion,money is your,s |
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thajuddeen capitalist

Joined: 15 Apr 2007 Posts: 1701 Location: UAE
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 22:46 by thajuddeen
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
| My profit booking cue is 14 x K price (on the LOW or HIGH)... |
Applying 14 x K LOW = DXB HIGH, i.e., 14 x 0.116 = 1.62
GFH high in Dubai was 1.62, perfect so far.
Closing interests was over a million buyer at 120 while the lone last trade was at 122 on a high note.
You might assume for tomorrow's high between 1.68-1.71. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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famj opportunist

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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 22:55 by famj
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| hi taj, boss can u advise whether i should sell gfh at any price above 1.70 to buy back later at around 1.60 to reduce our losses, since i bought it @ 1.90. thanks. |
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Krazy Guy profiteer

Joined: 30 Oct 2009 Posts: 74
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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 23:06 by Krazy Guy
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Got this from the London Stock Exchange Website...
Since the rights issue the stock is holding very well in Kuwait and Bahrain.
I wrote in another topic that it was trading at 4.5 pounds n LSE and just a week ago it was above 5 POUNDS.
| Press Release 02 November 2009: |
GFH completes the subscription of its US$300m rights issue offering to existing shareholders of the Bank
With further announcements likely, GFH will have raised US$450 million of fresh capital in just over a month
Manama, Bahrain: Gulf Finance House (GFH), the leading Middle Eastern Islamic investment bank announced today it had completed the subscription of its US$300 million rights issue offering to existing shareholders of the Bank which closed on Thursday 29th October. The popularity of the capital raising alongside the continuing success of the banks broader capital raising initiatives means GFH will have raised a total of US$450 million. The additional liquidity will support the execution and implementation of the Bank's strategic plan to become a diversified and broadly based Islamic investment bank. A separate announcement will be made regarding the details of the rights issue.
The rights issue is a key component in a three part capital management plan designed to raise between US$300mn and US$500mn. The plan includes a rights issue of up to US$300m, the placement of up to two US$100 million convertible murabaha facilities and the sale of non-core assets. In addition to the US$300m subscription of its rights issue in recent weeks, GFH announced the planned placement of the first US$100 million dollar murabaha with Macquarie Group and the partial sale of Qinvest to Qatar Islamic Bank for approximately US$50 million.
GFH Group CEO Ahmed Fahour commented on today's announcement saying, "When we embarked on our capital raising initiatives, we knew success would be governed by the level of faith our shareholders and strategic partners had in both the refined business plan and the team responsible for its implementation."
With over US$450 million of new capital that will be available shortly, alongside advanced discussions on the placement of the second US$100 million murabaha facility and further non-core asset sales, GFH has a clear mandate to pursue its goal of emerging as the world's leading Islamic investment bank." |
http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/prices-and-news/news/market-news/market-news-detail.html?announcementId=10257653
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Sun 08 Nov 2009 23:46 by thajuddeen
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| famj wrote: |
| hi taj, boss can u advise whether i should sell gfh at any price above 1.70 to buy back later at around ... |
If you have more funds, make an averaging buy now around 1.56.
If you are full, then hope, it might do the same as GGICO did that after completing the right issue successfully the stock rose from 1.60 to over 2.20. In that line, the GFH may hit about 2.00.
I will assume, the stock might peak Tuesday for this news. So, if it's not reaching upto 2.00 sell on Tuesday and wait for lower price. As you know GGICO hence fell below 1.60 after few weeks to bounce back to 1.77 before falling again now to new low. Today GCICO hit 1.52 near its right issue price of 1.50. GFH right issue price is around 1.40. Mind this might not be an apt comparison.
Good luck to you. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 07:44 by thajuddeen
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GFH uderperformed in Dubai. In Kuwiat it closed lower after hitting higher high.
In Dubai it closed a fils lower on the PIVOT. It still has a chance to hit 1.68-1.69, if it opens above 1.57 with a bullish kicking.
Good luck to the holders _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Tue 10 Nov 2009 18:25 by thajuddeen
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It opened at 1.59 only to mark it as the HIGH.
A burst off is cleverly held on the stock.
It looks like an accumulation technique is applying on the stock and it may be forced to lower prices before a strong rebound taking place.
It certainly has the approval to burst off this month but some players want to frustrate and bore you and possibly force to sell before the burst off.
It's just a possibility. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Wed 11 Nov 2009 15:42 by thajuddeen
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The stock is coming closer to right issue price.
I will be interested to buy it at 1.41. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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sam111sam capitalist

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Posted on Wed 11 Nov 2009 16:23 by sam111sam
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
The stock is coming closer to right issue price.
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In fact the rights issue was 1.42 when you include banking charges
The rights issue was fully covered and very quickly...Were all those guys who participated wrong ?
Al Dhs 1.47 per share The Market Cap is $378m, while
1) GFH just received $300m in the recent rights issue...
2) Last year profits were $290m. GFH paid $50m as cash dividend and the balance $240m was retained
I think the current price is too low...except if you expect further huge losses next year.
If GFH was worth nothing before, then we should al least look at the $240m retained profit plus the new $300m fresh capital, then deduct $120m losses...Market cap should be $420m min... 11% upside...But I assume that GFH was worth something before 2008...otherwise why was it trading at Dhs9 at the end of 2007
Did I totally miss the point here? |
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OnlineTrader mercenary


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Posted on Wed 11 Nov 2009 23:30 by OnlineTrader
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| thajuddeen wrote: |
The stock is coming closer to right issue price.
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Again Thaj!
I had planned to buy at 1.41 but it just touched 1.43 (this was my another order which was not executed today), and I regret that I did not know about right issue price (As sam explained).
If I knew , there was chance to buy it at 1.44-1.45.
But I agree that at this price range it has a very low risk. |
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dov222 profiteer

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Posted on Thu 12 Nov 2009 01:07 by dov222
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i picked up some today at 1.44.
my fear is that it stays stagnant in the 1.45-1.55 range for a long time.
im very patient, upto a week. kidding aside, i think its days of limit ups are over though for now. The best we can hope for is that it delivers a better performance by next quarter.
its listed in 4 exchanges, so if it will rise, it will need to do so on all fronts, and that will slow it down maybe. |
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thajuddeen capitalist

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Posted on Thu 12 Nov 2009 07:46 by thajuddeen
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If it falls to 1.39, we might still have a small break out.
If there is no positive news up in the sleeve this stock is going to be a dull one like GGICO which fell to 1.51 after a right issue at 1.50.
GFH right issue price was $0.38 that's equalent to Aed 1.40.
In Bahrain stock fell to a limit down to $ 0.40 yesterday and in Kuwait it fell to 110 fills.
The stock had rosen to 124 fils in kuwait this week from 108 fils. In line Dubai should have registered a price of 1.65 but instead it hit only 1.62 from 1.44. So the 3 fils difference it will deduct from 1.44 to reach 1.41.
Hoping there will be a mathematical parity between Kuwait and Dubai, I will try my luck at 1.41. _________________ Take your own decision; and you decide your destiny |
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dov222 profiteer

Joined: 27 Sep 2008 Posts: 83 Location: Abu Dhabi
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Posted on Wed 18 Nov 2009 22:38 by dov222
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Ok, this share has broken down, there is no clear support now.
Previously, i was under the impression it wouldn't fall below the rights issue price of 0.38 $ , or AED 1.4, but that theory has now fallen.
made its way today to 1.32 quite easily, and even there, it didnt look to be well supported.
Of course, the company has had a few positive announcements recently, but the Kuwaiti stock market is in total break down mode, so there is no telling how low it can go, (since the price here seems to follow that in Kuwait, where it trades with good volumes.)
This could be a good investment 2 years down the road.. but
personally, i will exit at the first decent bounce and take my losses. |
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